So, on another blog in a completely unrelated discussion, brave Jeff G. of Protein Wisdom attacks me and Jason for no particular reason:
And [Aaron has] yet to post a single point that challenges the way I think. He drops insults and out of context song lyrics into the comments box and leaves. He's not interested in discussing anything -- just in trying to cast people as caricatures in order to fit them into ready-made boxes.
That you hang on his every word is your own business, Jason. Just please don't mischaracterize my response to him.
Ahem.
Jeff, you humorless, clueless, funkless, dickless, racist, pretentious, pathetic little shit, if you have anything to say to me, please do so here, rather than filling someone else's site with your delusional blather.
I assure you, the fact that you and Mister Charlie dislike me so intently only serves to convince me that I'm doing something right.
I also find your projection amusing, and your constant cries for others to stop "mischaracterizing" your views laughable.
Now either shut up talking about me, or put your money where your fucking mouth is and bring it, dickhead.
Thank you so very much.
And, like, addendum: I'm not actually angry at the twat, only the fact that he'd rather make snide comments on his site, or spew on someone else's, rather than showing the testicular fortitude to speak to me directly. I truly doubt he will do so now, either.
Also, her perspective is a well-written, elegantly-designed site, and hardly deserving of his venomous presence. I'm not sorry I found the place, but do wish it had been under better circumstances.
Jason misidentified me as having banned you from commenting on my site. My post was in response to his. He made the correction (as I was writing up my reply, so we cross-posted), and I wrote him an email thanking him for doing so. I also posted a follow-up comment thanking him. Had you not quoted me out of context, all of this would have been clear.
Also, I never write about you on my site. I respond occasionally to the tedious little comments you leave, but that's the extent of my "talking about" you. Whereas you (for whatever your needy li'l reasons) feel compelled to write about me once or twice a day.
When I thought Jason was suggesting that I was somehow dodging your "challenges" to the way I think, I responded with a truthful denial -- and an even more truthful description of your wannabe-bullying tactics. You never engage in debate. You just tick off insults and lob baseless accusations -- which you commingle with tangentially related song lyrics, feigned, world-weary indifference, and snippets of whatever book you've be reading that you think might impress your site visitors. In short, you bore me, which is why I so seldom bother with you.
If you're ever out west and want to meet up with me, I'm fine with that. Drop me a note, and I'll give you my address and phone number (not for posting, though). Because honestly, I think you're the baldest kind of pussy -- a guy who uses a provocative site name as a substitute both for brains and balls.
But I suspect you'll be content just to snipe at me from here. In which case I'll just go back to ignoring your ignorant ass.
"crossposted"
Well, let's check the videotape.
Original post by Jason: 08/01/2002 10:50 AM
Correction by Jason: 08/01/2002 11:01 AM
Your little rant: 08/01/2002 11:22 AM
And, from your site:
[img src="/images/jeff7.jpg" alt="Proudly certified as an authentic 'Bitch-Ass Cracka' by the Uppity-Negro.]
There's a conservative sole, brother.[span class="standardwhite"] (Hi, Aaron!)
Guess I could add "lousy liar" to the list of your faults, but this probably falls under "pathetic".
If this site bores you, well, you're really not the target demographic. If it's any consolation, I don't find your content even remotely interesting, either.
I doubt meeting you in person would improve my opinion of you. I'd like to think it couldn't get any lower, but in that single way, you continually find new ways to impress.
Thanks for the "ignorant ass" line, though. I always appreciate it when you lot are open about your prejudices.
just for clarification's sake, I didn't feel attacked other than the "hangs on every word" comment. This isn't scientology and while I enjoy Aaron, he's not my L. Ron Hubbard. (and by extension uppity-negro.com isn't my Dianetics...but maybe I've taken the comparison too far? perhaps.)
I take the full brunt of it because I did make the mistake (I blame it on being early in the morning and because these fun arguments are what stay up front in my head)
And to be clear...I like proteinwisdom.com (at least the posts by jeff themselves...the 'yes, man' comments leave something to be desired)...unlike some of the other sites that I have come across from reading this one, at least at PW I know that Jeff has at the very least really thought about what he was going to say before he says it.
It may be because he likes to hear himself think...but that's for a whole other discussion entirely. ;)
and should we cross paths, Jeff: Skyy Blue, lounge bar, good jukebox. That's all I ask.
Are you confused, Aaron?
Please, allow me to walk you through it: while I was writing my response to Jason, he was evidently making the correction. I posted my reply when I was finished writing it. What I didn't do was refresh the site to see if he'd made a correction before I'd finished writing my response and posting it, because I had no way of knowing that he even realized he'd made a mistake. So I'm not sure what you're citing time stamps is supposed to prove -- other than that I take my time writing things out (you should give that a try sometime), and that -- while I'm writing things out -- I don't hit "refresh." I notice you don't post the next time stamp -- appended to my post thanking Jason for clarifying, at 11:23 (or immediately after my "little rant" -- and upon seeing the correction; I wrote Jason a personal email within a couple minutes, too. Easy enough to check that out, right?)
Christ, no wonder you call people names rather than make arguments. You're lousy at making your case.
As for the other pieces of bullshit you trot out to try to paint me as a "lousy liar"... You had my site labeled on your side links as "Bitch Ass Cracka" earlier this week (you've since changed it). So I simply acknowledged your description of me. Of course, in order to see my reference to your unprovoked epithet, visitors to my site must mouse-over my photograph and read the alt text box. To date, you're the only person who's noticed it (that I know of). Again though, I wrote that alt text (note: not a post, not a link) as a response to your provocation, and I kept it veiled.
The "Hi Aaron" line, likewise, was a response to one of the many "Hi, Jeffy" greetings you pepper your posts with. Of course, it was presented as white text on a white background, so it really takes an obsessive personality even to find it. Not passing judgment or anything, just saying... Regardless, it's still a response, and another hidden one at that.
Listen: You post about me just about every day. You leave frequent, asinine comments on my site -- which is what I was referring to when I said you bore me (I don't read your site often enough to know whether what you write here bores me, though I can guess). So c'mon, let's face it: if anything is "pathetic," it's your desperate desire to grab and keep my attention.
Keep tossing around the "racism" accusation, though, Aaron. You do it often enough, you may just find somebody to whom it'll stick one of these days...
"So c'mon, let's face it: if anything is 'pathetic,' it's your desperate desire to grab and keep my attention."
Apparently, it's worked pretty well. Fascinating. What's your touch, Aaron?
Careful, Laura, he's going to accuse you of hanging on my every word.
Jeff seems to be obsessed with the song lyrics thing. Guess it's the music.
I've mentioned in the past that I use lynx, so his "hidden" text was, you know, obvious for me. Somehow, I expected the "obsessive" line, in one form or another. So predictable.
Not that this qualifies as an argument or making a case, according to him. Kind'a like how him using racial slurs (Oriental) or mock-dialect (Recognize, that Tokyo thing) isn't evidence of racism.
My ignorant ass must be confused. I blame the genetic intellectual inferiority.
Wait, are you black...?
"Oriental" is a racial slur? Mock dialect is racist? I suppose I'd better learn my place and speak "white," then. Oops. I mean, white adopted Jew of Irish descent born to Roman Catholics.
Holy mudder of God, Fodder. Methinks I need a drink. Oy.
Tell you what, since this has been discussed to death and you seem incapable of reasoned debate on the matter in virtual space:
Colorado Asian Pacific Student Alliance (CAPSA)
Hanh Pi - hphi@du.edu
Mark Thai - mthai@du.edu
Why don't you set up a meeting with the people at CAPSA and talk to them about using Oriental.
Don't know the folks, maybe they're ok with it. I note they do not use the term in the name of their organization.
I argued against the state of Washington passing legislation banning the word "Oriental" is all. You've extrapolated that out to suggest I use the term to refer to people. I don't -- but not because the word has yet been banned in Colorado.
Bottom line is (and I've made this clear over and over and over again), I'm simply against any legislative effort to ban words. Period. Similarly, I'm against the idea of essentialist ownership over words or narratives.
I've debated this at length, "reasonably" and in "virtual space." I believe your contribution to the discussion, though, was to call someone a cunt, call some other folks racists, and to link to a Salon article justifying your willingness to call total strangers cunts and racists.
Here are the URLs to my posts on the subject:
http://www.proteinwisdom.com/archives/001335.html (On "oriental")
http://www.proteinwisdom.com/archives/001365.html
(On Hawaiian history)
"Rice-chaser" is racist now?
Stop demonizing words.
And stop using "ban" to describe the law. It's misleading and needlessly inflamm -- wait, sorry, that's your whole schtick. Take that away and you got nothing. Never mind.
I take it you're not contacting the campus group, then? Or sending them a link to your, as you put it, "debate"?
Your amusement value is rapidly declining.
Stupid inflammatory ethnic media source and their stupid inflammatory schtick... From the original article (New California Media): "[...]And now the state of Washington has officially acknowledged the term as derogatory and offensive and banned it from all public text."
http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=143
Here, I'll pull out the operative phrase for you so that you can properly ascribe the inflammatory portion to its correct source: "...and BANNED it..."
Typically, you're interested less in the substance of the argument than with the words I chose to frame it. Is it any wonder people like you have no problem banning words that militate against your own positions.
Incidentally, I'm NOT bothered by "rice chaser." I just thought someone so righteously indignant over the use of the signifier "Oriental" as you claim to be might have felt a bit hypocritical casually tossing around such a racially-charged epithet, is all. But I forgot -- those who think of themselves as speaking on behalf of minorities can do no wrong -- never mind that the majority of Asians who responded in the thread I linked to, for instance, took a position counter to yours. I mean, stupid rice-eaters probably don't know when they're being oppressed, right? They need you to teach them. You're their educated champion and savior.
I'll be glad to contact those students once school's back in session. Or if you'd like, you can send them along a link to my posts (or to your posts criticizing my posts, up to you), and have 'em read through the discussion; then they can contact me when they're free.
On to other matters...If my amusement value is declining, stop including references to me in your posts. Or ask me nicely, and maybe I'll dance for you.
Or -- here's an idea -- get back to me when you're actually willing to marshall an argument. Because you just keep digging yourself deeper into the idiot hole every time you try to respond non-substantively.
"...and BANNED it..."
"...from all public text."
You don't see mulatto or quadroon in public texts much either, these days. Or negro, for that matter.
I wrote about the Feds not using Nigger or Jap in US Geological Survey maps back in July: http://www.uppity-negro.com/archives/000130.html#000130
Doubt it'll sway your opinion, since at this point I'm not even sure what we're meant to be arguing about.
That exactly is the question that I've wanted a non-obfuscated answer to. What is about a change of official language (that is not retroactive - read the dates) in government documents? No one is talking about removing Huckleberry Finn from the public library here. I'd assume that "official" documents means legal documents.
What is the exact objection to this relatively minor adjustment in less than five thousand words?
Just remembered no one can see me roll my eyes at the particularly asinine comments.
"the majority of Asians who responded in the thread I linked to, for instance, took a position counter to yours"
I hope you're not suggesting that your site visitors -- or mine, for that matter -- are particularly representative of anything except our respective readers.
After all, just because the majority of women here. . . no, that is too cruel, even for me.
And for the last time: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5bgi02kpd4g501%40amdahl.uts.amdahl.com&output=gplain
This is an old, old debate. People may not have replied for the same reason I ignore anyone going on about how it's racist to have Black Entertainment Television, and if they started White Entertainment TV blah blah blah. Been there, done that.