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Darkness FaerieI think the tourists are getting stupider. Or at least more vocal, which amounts to the same thing in their case.

"And that, gentlemen, is how wars begin --

"-- little steps. Anticipatory responses. Get them before they can get us. Little breaks in communication. Don't you agree --

"-- King T'Challa -- ?"

Priest, in the script for Bla--. . . no, if I say it, it'll be taken as more evidence of my anger and racism.

Speaking of comics, have a look at The Last Time Priest Discussed Race In Comics, even if I kind'a hope the title is misleading. He's tired of the subject, though, and you can't blame him.

I stopped dealing much in interviews awhile back because every interviewer would, sooner or later, start talking to me about race in comics. I don't wanna talk about race in comics, unless it's about Superman racing The Flash. I want to be asked the same kinds of questions you ask Mark Waid. I am not so different from Mark Waid, except he has more money and dates prettier women. Few if any interviewers ever ask Mark Waid abut the state of race relations in comics, but its a theme I revisit over and over, to the point where I will, likely, now decline to discuss the issue. It's just kind of... done for me.

[. . .] Most people in comics are, largely, white intellectuals. Intellectuals tend to think they are beyond racism because, well, they are intellectuals. They've read lots of books and they have an elevated sense of the commonality of man. Intellectuals tend to look down their noses at guys like Archie Bunker and abhor racism. Intellectuals give to the NAACP and march on Washington and embrace the "oneness" of the human species. To many of these people, who was first didn't matter, doesn't matter, and won't matter. The fact they do not seem to know is actually some business to be celebrated: that we have moved beyond such distinctions.

But, wait, "we" haven't moved anywhere. White intellectuals are incredibly dangerous to the cause of social equality in that they deny the institutionalized nature of racism and sexism in this country.

I think the entire point of the term, "institutionalized racism," is the racism you don't see and don't intend and aren't even aware of. When I go up for projects or pitch deals, I have the added component, the extra invisible section of my proposal, that white writers don't: this business of race. If an editor pauses, for even one second, to worry about the consequences of NOT offering me or Dwayne McDuffie a book, even if the Ed thinks someone else is right for the job— that is institutionalized racism.

I don't think comics are any more or less racist than any other corporate environment. It's just that, as a field, comics is terribly small compared to other publishing. So even five racists in comics is a huge demographic, statistically, as compared to, say, racist accountants or racist short order cooks.

Ask any white professional in comics who the racists in the business are, and you'll likely get a shrug or a denial that there are any. Ask almost any black pro in the business, and you'll get the same five names. We all know who these people are (some of whom have, bless God, moved on to other fields). Many of us have suffered directly or indirectly from these people. But mentioning the names will get you blacklisted and, likely, sued. These are people whose racist tendencies are largely ignored by white PTB's who probably don't even notice them, but these tendencies ring the alarm bells of any blacks within their orbit. It's the dirty secret of comics: the commonly accepted short list of racists every black pro knows and almost no white pros do.

I think Mark Waid was in Parade magazine a while back, so you're probably familiar with him. Another name dropped in there is Dwayne McDuffie, a/k/a "the guy whose site Aaron can't read in Mozilla or lynx." Mr. McDuffie recently wrote, in the Milestone Yahoo! group:

How about this, in 1988 I co-wrote Deathlok with my friend Greg Wright, who is white (and who I don't think it's unfair to say was a lesser writer than I was at the time). Based on the success of that book, Greg got 5 regular, monthly assignments. I got...none.

Priest can tell stories that would stun you but he's a real gentleman, so he doesn't.

But let's say you're right. Preist and I got our shots. So did Doeselle. That's three people in twenty years. We're the only three people good enough in the past 20 years? Please. I had three guys at Milestone alone who were ready. They didn't get a shot. Who did? Matt Wayne and John Rozum, two excellent writers who are also white.

Race remains an issue, especially in writing and editorial positions.

We won't even discuss black women writing comics, because. . . well, it would be a very short conversation, unless you want to talk theory.

It's not all gloom and doom. There's good news at Dwayne's blog:

Billy Dee Williams will provide a guest-voice of an African hero in [a Static Shock] episode set in Africa.

Everybody loves Billy Dee Williams.

Update: Actually, ending on an upbeat tone doesn't really fit the rest of the site. Here's a final word from Priest:

Nobody's evil, nobody's sitting around twirling their mustache and deliberately trying to keep the darkies out. But the most insidious thing about the institutionalized nature of race in this country is the fact that educated white liberals don't believe it exists. And, to my experience, that particular demographic, those people who think they're above racism or beyond racism, often end up being the most racist of all.

Considering some of the people claiming to be left/liberal these days, I find it hard to disagree.

Gunn makes with the intelligent, insightful thing again, and makes me wonder why I even bother posting at all.

Demonstrating the sort of class I'm just not capable of, Anja links back and refuses to rise to the flamebait here. Dude, public fights means more hits. More hits means free publicity. Think about it.

Besides, as Wolveroach says, conflict builds character.

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McDuffie's index is broken. I'm no PHP maven but I think the second question mark actually closes the page before it even gets started. I shot them an email too because I'm annoying that way.

Priest has a fantastic take on the "attitude" issue that Aaron was talking about a few posts back:

I was recently accused of having a chip on my shoulder. The "chip" thing hurts. It has no real substance or context, like a milkshake. Like the word "stuff." It's this amorphous thing without walls or floors, design, form or cohesion. It's something I can't even step up to and rebut. It has no teeth, no piece of paper with words on it that can be objectively reviewed. This is the thing that makes life so very difficult for professionals in this business. It's the kind of empty bias that can't be thrown at whites, but sticks readily to women, minorities and gays. It breeds and breathes and lives in the halls and even in some of the offices in many companies in this biz. It replicates easily and is self-financing.

Aaron's great and terrible powers are evident as he forces me to be his research assistant bitch although he does not allow html in comments just to spite me.

Don't let Dru see this...

Priest's discussion is going to end up in my next post though...as we continue the talking.

HTML in comments can be a force for great good. . . or great evil. I'm making like Morbius in "Forbidden Planet" and keeping the genie in the bottle.

I *think* his web server isn't explicitly telling browsers that the .php extension means html. The thing displays in some browsers, so I don't think the problem is with the page itself. . .

Jason, Priest's site apparently does Evil Things in IE, so you may want to warn folks.

Or not. It's funnier if you don't.

Ha! My text based browser obviously kicks the snot out of your text based browser because http://www.dwaynemcduffie.com works just fine in Links.

Go here and be enabled, my friend:

http://links.sourceforge.net/

Got it. Was using elinks for a while, too. Can't stand the way they'll render tables/frames, with material running off the side of the screen with no way to get to it.

Ok, that's probably covered in the docs. Free Software documentation usually makes me cringe, though. I can take the stuff by non-native English speakers, but oddly theirs is usually better written..

I have to agree with you about documentation for free software generally being a little less useful than Kinder Egg instructions but I think the tab key will traverse frames and whatnot. It's working for me in eLinks and actually centered correctly in the terminal. I hate to be the annoying technology nitpicker on the site but I AM.

"But anything Priest or McDuffie say is suspect because they're "black racist" writers, don't you know? And Milestone was just a reverse racist company with their glorification of gangbangers and gangsta rap and who's interested in minority superheroes anyway?"

-far too many fanboys I've known.

Priest rules, of course. Even if he never got around to putting GIANT talking pirate monkey robots in Ka-zar.

McDuffie was far better then the writing assignments he got at Marvel -istr him getting stuck with the "we need to renew our trademark" stories in Marvel Comics Presents.

Waid is overrated. So is Peter "bore you with my puns" David. And both Transmetropolitan and Preacher bore me.

Damn, you made me interested in comics again.

Just for chuckles I did the validation thing for McDuffie's site and got fatal errors. That ain't good and it doesn't surprise me that Mozilla chokes on it. Actually it's a credit to the Mozilla folks that it even spits out the source.

Martin, I'm sure we would'a got the GIANT talking monkey pirates if the Priest Curse (tm) hadn't killed the book.

Store owner tried telling me how racist Milestone was when the book I was buying had a cover by either Frank Miller or John Byrne. Didn't go back to that shop again.

I like Transmet, but you might have picked up on that. . .

Leave Dwayne alone. He's getting settled in in El Lay, for his new job as story editor for the Justice League cartoon. I left out the bit of his post where he mentioned that he still can't even pitch ideas for the comic, despite this. . .

Haven't read anything by Waid lately. Peter David's blog/site is convincing me to sell all his old books.

Oh yeah, and is there a way to use GPM to copy/paste text with (e)links? That's the other reason I avoid 'em. I usually write up entries in emacs by flipping between consoles.

I am not a geek, by the way.

Awesome quotes, Aaron. I particularly want to like rent an airplane with a banner that has the one about educated white liberals who are above racism.

Don't even mention emacs and then try to deny your geekdom. You probably write extensions in lisp too. Dishonest misdirection is what brings people like blowhard here. Either that or chalking a pentagram on the floor.

From the overly terse Links documentation:

If you have the GPM mouse server running, Links provides limited mouse support. As for the rest of Links' functionality, you'll just have to learn the keystrokes [1.2], or use the popup menu [1.3]

the rest of it is http://links.sourceforge.net/docs/manual-0.82-en/

I've yet to find any real documentation for eLinks . The maniacs at http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/links/ however have got links working in SVGA with javascript. That might be worth checking out. Alternately you can get really crazy and just pipe output from emacs to the next tty and hope for the best.

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